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Would someone be so kind as to tell me why when I have all of my tracks set to Linear and then change to Musical does everything go out of time in relation to each other when it's all perfectly on the beat as it were?
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JasonK
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That is because not all of the tracks are set to snap to a musical timebase. For instance, if you have one audio track that has not had its tempo defined, it will fall out of time with those that have, as well as any MIDI - as time is one of the main things retained.
Linear timebase is just that linear so if you bend the time of the other tracks the linear one retains its tempo structure, only preserving the same start point, as that is the only thing that has been defined.
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hush
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Hi,
Thank you for your in depth analysis of the situation, however one problem I do remember having and that is when I set a tempo track to be the same tempo as what was fixed and then go to edit it once activated, all the locator points change and cycling is no longer possible unless I change the locator points again, why?
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
This is probably because you have your locators set based on the metronome timeline. Try changing the locators display to Timecode and I think they should stay in place timecode wise.
Or if locators are staying the same timecode and you want them to follow the bars and beats, change the dispaly to bars and beats. Thank you.
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hush
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Ok, but if I'm using the grid and/or drum map anyway, why should it matter?
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
Yes I would expect that it will affect how your locators respond, and thus, what it looks like on your screen.
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hush
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Hi Chris,
Thanks very much for your reply.
I'm currently using Linear Timebase for all MIDI tracks as currently I have no audio tracks to speak of and I chose this method over Musical Timebase since I did not want to be wholly restricted to using quantise values.
Having said that I cannot understand why when I "engage" the tempo track or otherwise active it, that even when I have made no timing changes at all, it alters the locator positions previously set, so cycling from those points is no longer possible.
I really hope that Steinberg can fix this problem by the next update because I'd like to be able to start programming tempo changes at some point in the near future.
Best Regards
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JasonK
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That is not a bug. You should be using Musical timebase as that will respond to changes in the tempo track. That's what musical timebase is a way for tracks to musically or rhythmically follow the changes in a project.
Musical timebase does not restrict you to quantize values unless you have turned on Auto Quantize when playing, or have snapping on when editing. The locators are synced to time, so they will stay on say bars 2-4, if that's where they were before the tempo was changed.
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hush
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That is not a bug. You should be using Musical timebase as that will respond to changes in the tempo track. That's what musical timebase is a way for tracks to musically or rhythmically follow the changes in a project.
Hi,
Thanks for the reply, however I don't know why I "should" be using Musical Timebase, when everything which I scribe into the editor itself is right on-the-beat or bar as it were and I think this merely points out a vast limitation in the software, so I hope it can be addressed very soon.
Best regards
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Hello,
Using Musical Timebase does not limit you to quantize all of your midi. It merely allows your midi to follow changes in the Tempo Track. I hope this helps.
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Hello,
Using Musical Timebase does not limit you to quantize all of your midi. It merely allows your midi to follow changes in the Tempo Track. I hope this helps.
Hi,
The answer does help but I really can't understand why, regardless, when I'm using quantise, that notwithstanding the timebase in use; it effects the locator positions at all.
Thank you
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ChrisDobbs
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I think maybe we should recap this:
If the timeline is dispalying bars and beats, changes to the Tempo will affect the L and R locators.
If the timeline is displaying seconds, changes to the Tempo will not affect the L and R locators.
The reason for this is related to the display of the L and R. If you notice in the Transport bar, when the timeline changes, so does the display of the L and R. If you change the Tempo of the project, then the bars and beats will have to follow it. Conversely, the seconds do not change when you change the tempo.
I hope this clarifies the two modes of viewing the L and R locators. Thank you.
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hush
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Thanks for the reply.
I have found the issue to be one of which when all tracks are using linear time, irrespective of whether or not there is any audio, that if I have a project which has a fixed tempo and then I decide to activate the Tempo Track, which has the same tempo as the fixed tempo in the Transport Bar, then the locator positions do change and I don't think there is any reason why they should.
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ChrisDobbs
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Hmmm, they could have matched tempos, but the Tempo track version could have been changed at say bar 4, this would cause the L and R to move.
Send me the project and I'll see if it does it on my system.
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Hmmm, they could have matched tempos, but the Tempo track version could have been changed at say bar 4, this would cause the L and R to move.
Hi Chris,
I'd like to know what you think because I believe that if this problem was somehow able to be "fixed", then it would mean that one could move transparently between musical and linear time, providing of course that in the very least a quantise value is used for all MIDI notes on a page.
Thanks again
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hush
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I'd like to know the reason why I must hit the . every time I load a project 3 times.
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ChrisDobbs
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You have to hit "." after loading the project for the third time? Does this happen in multiple projects? Why "."? Does an error message come up?
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hush
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for your reply.
It does happen with multiple projects and the behaviour appears intermittent.
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ChrisDobbs
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Well, I'm stumped on why "." would be helpful in this situation. I'd suggest trashing your application data. Go to the Start menu, All Programs, Cubase Studio 4, Cubase Studio 4 application data. Trash the files and folders inside this folder, this will remove your preferences, key commands, templates etc. See if this removes the problem.
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hush
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for your reply.
The . (dot) I press after a project has loaded is the period in the alpha-numeric section of a typical keyboard, which changes from time based mode, samples etc., and I am wondering why I must do this upon every (sometimes) project load.
Thank you
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ChrisDobbs
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Well, I'm not sure why changing the display of bars and beats vs. samples would cause a project to load. Is there anything unique about the projects that don't open? Anything unique in the time-stretching? Thank you.
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hush
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Hi Chris,
Projects open without issue, the problem is that sometimes I must change the setting that is at the top right of the project on the time line.
Thank you
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
Maybe it would be best to email me a copy of project. I'll pm you my address.
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hush
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Hi Chris,
Thank you very much for that it is eternally appreciated.
I'd like to know if at all would I be able to attach a "screenshot" or would it be more preferable to only post them here as I am in the process of crafting a project file which would indicate what is happening, however I may be able to get the message across, as it were here.
Many thanks for your time
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hush
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Hello, I thought I would attach a file for the benefit of the Forum Community.
Many regards
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hush
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Why is this happening? I'd really like to know.
Are there any answers?
I hope so because I need it to be fixed ASAP.
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hush
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Why is this happening? I'd really like to know.
Are there any answers?
I hope so because I need it to be fixed ASAP.
Has this even been recognised as an issue?
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
I'm sorry but I have not seen your other posts until now. Can you re-email me the project and I'll be happy to take another look at it.
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hush
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That's ok I'm merely hoping something can be done before the next update if possible, otherwise maybe at a later time but hopefully before the next whole numbered version.
Was the graphic I uploaded not enough to give you an idea otherwise I can send a blank project because it happens even when I copy and paste tracks from one project to another, however my feeling is that it is to do with having tracks set to Linear Time in the first place but working with them in a musical way.
This is a very frustrating issue because it means that I must always "reset" the locators in order to be able to start work on a given file which would seem rather ridiculous at best.
I can perhaps make a project file after I've copied the offending information over (tracks) and deleted any parts. It would seem that the issue has nothing to do with any instruments and the like.
Regards,
P.S. Can I upload the project here?
Thank you
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
The new update is available on www.steinbergmediacenter.com. Please let me know if the new version does not help. Thank you.
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