| mashedmitten |
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| 05/05/08 08:27 PM |
HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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These controllers will not trigger HalionOne drum content consistantly.
I've been through every Pref setting in C4 to no avail and contacted Steinberg and Alesis with promises to check it out with no further communication.
I know my way around Cubase
and have tried every possible setting one by one and in combination. It's been confirmed by other users at steinberg.net but I'm not too confident of a fix.Just wanted to give a heads up so others know it's not them that can't get the two to work.
HalionOne is the only VSTi that does this. I've tried many and the Alesis works great with anything else I throw at it.
| JoshMatlock |
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| 05/06/08 10:40 AM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
How do you have everything setup inside Cubase between the HalionOne and your Alesis Pad Control?
Thank You,
| mashedmitten |
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| 05/06/08 10:54 AM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
How do you have everything setup inside Cubase between the HalionOne and your Alesis Pad Control?
Thank You,
Hi Josh, I've tried it every way possible. I've tried both MIDI and USB connections, I've tried all of the filters in Prefs along with the other MIDI settings.
It's not a set-up issue, HalionOne is the only VSTi that won't trigger from the pads. It will playback what you record from the controller. It just won't play in real time.
Do you guys have a DD55 or an Alesis controller to try it?
| ChrisDobbs |
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| 05/09/08 08:56 AM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
I'm sorry but we don't have a DD55 here. Specifically, what other VSTi's work for you? What sound setting is HalionOne set on? Thank you.
| mashedmitten |
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| 05/09/08 10:03 AM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Any HalionOne drum content triggers intermittantly. Sometimes one in twenty will sound, sometimes more, it depends on the patch.
Examples of VSTi's that work are any other Cubase plug, BFD, DFH, basically every other plug I've tried it with.
Like I've said, I've tried all possibilities re: settings. I know you probably hear that all the time, but in my case you can take it to the bank. I've installed the content on a seperate 7,200 RPM internal HDD just to eliminate seek problems and the like with no joy. I've gone through all of the MIDI Prefs one by one and in combination, also.
This is definately a HalionOne issue. Seeing as there is probably only one more update, I don't hold out much hope for it being fixed. When I hear a Yamaha subsidiary doesn't have a piece of gear and seems unwilling to go the extra step and get it, I have even less hope.
BTW, is Steinberg USA looking for a good tech support person? Can I tele-commute? I have a lot of experience at Cubase.net sorting problems and know the software pretty much inside out.
| ChrisDobbs |
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| 05/12/08 03:17 PM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
Hmmm, intermittently. What patch, for example, do you have the most trouble with? It is only the drum patches?
When you moved the content to the 2nd drive did you do it from the disc or the original installation? Thank you.
| mashedmitten |
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| 05/12/08 03:55 PM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
Hmmm, intermittently. What patch, for example, do you have the most trouble with? It is only the drum patches?
When you moved the content to the 2nd drive did you do it from the disc or the original installation? Thank you.
Rock Standard 2 is a good culprit.
I have tried both ways of moving the content, selecting a different target via the install DVD and updates and via Windows and letting Mediabay scan the drive.
| mashedmitten |
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| 05/12/08 03:57 PM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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This isn't a Media Center Edition issue as it's been confirmed by other users with XP Pro.
Intemittant in this case means every hit doesn't equal a note being played. The behavior is very consistant as in always.
| ChrisDobbs |
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| 05/13/08 05:34 PM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
It is my experience that almost everything on Media Center is a Media Center issue. Media Center is not a supported OS for Steinberg or any other pro audio company that I am aware of. This is because Media Center was designed with different multimedia parameters than Pro/Home and these changes cause unique system errors.
What XP Pro users have confirmed the problem? Does it only work intermittently upon entering the notes, or does it continue to be intermittent on playback? Thank you.
| mashedmitten |
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| 05/13/08 05:48 PM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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XP64 isn't supported but Cubase runs on it. I run LE, LE4, SX3 and C4 on Media Center with no issues aside from the known ones. This is not a Media Center issue.
It records and plays back fine, it's just triggering in real time that's the problem.
Vista has Media Center built in.
If you aren't going to try it then there's no sense in continuing this way.
What specific problems can be attributed to Media Center in your experience? I'd really like to know.
| ChrisDobbs |
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| 05/15/08 10:28 AM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
When we say that something is "not supported" what we mean is that we have not tested for and will provide solutions for that operating system. It is possible that Cubase will run on XP64 or Media Center...but when something goes wrong, there will not be very much we can do about it.
This is especially with Media Center. I have been a technical support agent for 4 years now, and I can tell you that 99% of the Media Center customers I have spoken with have had a different, unique problem. Often when I have an inexplicable problem and everything has been setup properly, and still there is a malfunction for no apparent reason, I remember to ask the user if they are on Media Center. For unique, unsolvable problems on the windows OS, I would estimate that Media Center is the culprit 80% of the time.
Often these problems relate to midi timing, audio functions, and even yesterday, I had a customer whose HalionOne would not show up in Cubase. I am not saying that Media Center will not work at all, but it is not a reliable OS to build a recording system on.
The only other suggestion I would make is to move your ignoreportfilter. Go to your C Drive, Program Files, Steinberg, Cubase, Midi Port Enabler. Inside this folder is a file called "ignoreportfilter" right click on this file and choose cut. Now press the back button your browser (so that you are back in the Cubase folder), right-click in a blank area, and choose Paste. This will paste the "ignoreportfilter" up one level.
Now re-open Cubase. You will no longer be able to use All Midi Inputs as the input for the midi track. You will want to use the specific midi port of your input, specifically the version that says "emulated" next to it. I hope this helps with your problem.
| mashedmitten |
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| 05/15/08 07:29 PM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
When we say that something is "not supported" what we mean is that we have not tested for and will provide solutions for that operating system. It is possible that Cubase will run on XP64 or Media Center...but when something goes wrong, there will not be very much we can do about it.
This is especially with Media Center. I have been a technical support agent for 4 years now, and I can tell you that 99% of the Media Center customers I have spoken with have had a different, unique problem. Often when I have an inexplicable problem and everything has been setup properly, and still there is a malfunction for no apparent reason, I remember to ask the user if they are on Media Center. For unique, unsolvable problems on the windows OS, I would estimate that Media Center is the culprit 80% of the time.
Often these problems relate to midi timing, audio functions, and even yesterday, I had a customer whose HalionOne would not show up in Cubase. I am not saying that Media Center will not work at all, but it is not a reliable OS to build a recording system on.
The only other suggestion I would make is to move your ignoreportfilter. Go to your C Drive, Program Files, Steinberg, Cubase, Midi Port Enabler. Inside this folder is a file called "ignoreportfilter" right click on this file and choose cut. Now press the back button your browser (so that you are back in the Cubase folder), right-click in a blank area, and choose Paste. This will paste the "ignoreportfilter" up one level.
Now re-open Cubase. You will no longer be able to use All Midi Inputs as the input for the midi track. You will want to use the specific midi port of your input, specifically the version that says "emulated" next to it. I hope this helps with your problem.
I know all about the Emulated ports Chris including which MIDI devices need them. The Firebox isn't one, they throw the timing off.
The things you are attributing to Media Center Edition are not caused by it at all. As a matter of fact, you are giving a lot of false information on these forums. I've been reading a lot of your posts and see this is so. If you'd go over to cubase.net, you'd see the Halion install problem is across the board for OSs.
I'm sad to see just how little "support" knows the program. It's too bad so much word of mouth info is being given out as truth.
Oh, and just because you say something is due to Media Center doesn't make it so. You can keep telling yourself it is, but it won't make it so.
There are easy fixes for the Halion One install problem. It's an update bug, not a MCE issue.
Oh, timing errors are caused by different drivers using different clocks. System Timestamp sorts it by using one clock. All Presonus kit needs that checked along with other devices. That's on any version of XP. I've answered enough questions at c.net to know.
There are certain devices that require Emulated ports but the symptoms are different. The same devices on any version of XP require their use.
I've done my homework and know of that which I speak.
| ChrisDobbs |
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| 05/21/08 10:22 AM |
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Re: HalionOne/Yamaha DD55/Alesis Pad Control
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Hello,
Thank you for your helpful information on this. I'm sorry but I think we'll have to agree to disagree with regard to Media Center.