Awethentik
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I recorded this mighty long 1hr 9min DEMO and it mostly has Hip-Hop but also has some R&B and Mainstream Genre's as well. I'm new to Wavelab 6 and I have been playing around with some of the effects and then burning a CD and then listening to it in my car as I have a nice stereo with some subs to get an idea of how it sounds. I just want to know if anyone knows any good effects to use for my situation. Oh yea I recorded this in Cubase Essential 4 as well.
I have normally been using a mix between some or all of these: Peak Master, Puncher, Spectralizer, EQ-1, Q and the Meta Normalizer Equal Loudness (RMS) and Equal Peak Level. I also talked to steinberg tech support today and the guy told me to try the Multiband Compressor and use the FM Radio preset. I tried that along with Peak Master, Q, and Puncher and it sounded good but not quite right. It also had some crackling or static as well and wasn't loud enough for me.
I also haven't noticed a difference between the Meta Normalizer Equal Loudness (RMS) option compared to the Meta Normalizer Equal Peak Level.
I think the loudest CD I've had yet that sounded good but still was missing something was with Peak Master, Puncher, EQ-1, Q.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated?
Oh yea on the far right side the Master Output Volume, its default set on 0 (db - I think) and I was also curious on if I should move this up to make it louder or just leave it a 0 and make all my adjustments with the effects. And if the bars go above the 0 is that bad?
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
I'm also a big fan of the Multiband Compressor in Wavelab 6 on FM Radio. Sometimes it has a little too much treble for me though, so I pull down the boost on the high frequencies. Another key could be the old you are placing things in.
Are you putting puncher last or the multiband? Crackling or static could be from an overload or distortion in one of the plugins.
I would suggest leaving the master faders at 0.
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Awethentik
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I apply the Multiband Compressor first and then added from there. Also is it bad if the master fader is kept at 0, but the bars go past the 0? On all my other CD's I've made so far with this project they've always been over that but this last one I made with the FM Radio effect I couldn't get them to go over it seemed like and I didn't know if that was because off the Compressor or?
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
Personally I would put the multiband compressor at or near the end of the signal chain. The only thing I would put after it might be one last limiter.
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Awethentik
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Aight I tried some different things and I just made a new one today after exporting the file out of the Audio Montage and then opening it as a wav file. I added the Multiband Compressor with FM Radio Preset, along with Puncher and Peak Master. Rendered the file and then added Dithering and then Rendered again and then burned to CD so I'm gonna check that out but it was all sounding real good.
The next one I want to make will be with the same effects but I just wanted to know whats good to use for batch processing? Because after I got all done the Bar Meter was showing it clipping so I think I'm going to need to add some Normalizer pluggins through Batch processing. I want to add all 3 of those effects and then do the bactch processing thing and add some pluggins like the Normalizer and maybe a few others you know to get all the levels right? What would be good to use?
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Awethentik
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These all are songs that are from djcity.com that get them from the labels so they all have been mastered to a degree. I tried doing the batch processing thing and I did
1. Meta Normalizer - Equal Peak
2. Peak Master at 1.5 db
3. Puncher at 50% soft
4. Mutliband Compressor - FM Radio
5. Pan Normalizer
6. Normalizer - Only If Clipping
7. Dithering
And then when I burned it and put it in my cd player it said TOC error. Also another thing, this one and the last one I made had 2 second pauses between the tracks and when I did advanced settings before I burned everything was at 0 so I don't understand how I got pauses when all my others I burned were straight through?
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Awethentik
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I called tech support today and found that I guess when I did the batch processing it did it in 32 bit that's why it wouldn't play. And then for some reason it added 2 second pauses by its'self so I had to go through under the + sign drop downs to change that to 0. So i'm going to try this again.
Do you think that's too much stuff/effects to apply if the songs have already been mastered before? I recorded in -6 DB in Cubase Essential 4 as well.
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
The cause for the 2 second gap is a preference. Are you setting this up in Basic Audio CD or Audio Montage? In their case there are preferences for the gap:
Basic Audio CD - Go to the pull down menu in the top left corner, preferences, and you can set the gap accordingly.
Audio Montage - On the CD tab, in the CD Wizard Menu (CD with Magic Wand) you can determine the gaps.
Thank you.
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Awethentik
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The first time I did
1. Meta Normalizer - Equal Peak
2. Peak Master - 1.5 DB
3. Puncher - 50% soft
4. Multiband Compressor - FM Radio -5.0 DB
5. Pan Normalizer - Equal Peak
6. Normalizer - 0 DB, Only if clipping
7. Dithering - Type 1, 3, 16 Bit
And it sounded really good just needed to be louder IMOP.
So the second time around I did
1. Meta Normalizer - Equal RMS
2. Peak Master - 3.0 DB
3. Puncher - 50%, soft lined up with input
4. Multiband Compressor - FM Radio -4.5 DB
5. Pan Normalizer - Equal RMS
6. Normlizer - 0 DB, Only if clipping
7. Dithering - Type 1, 3, 16 Bit
And im bout to try it out now, and any and all tips/suggestions would be grealty appreciated.
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ChrisDobbs
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Hello,
You may also want to consider third-party VST's on the market. Personally I use www.nomadfactory.com, www.ursplugins.com, www.izotope.com (Ozone 3 is a great mastering tool), and others. You might also want to check out www.kvr-vst.com as it is an excellent reference site for VST plugins. I hope this helps.
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Chris Dobbs
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